From 2152afcb37a01d89b553b5ff98e9b2c493207d10 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Rufus Pollock Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 23:11:26 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] [notes/klimadao.finance][m]: update klimadao info with drawing from last call plus some older stuff i added a few weeks ago. --- assets/Pasted image 20220407210614.png | 3 + dao/klimadao.finance.md | 57 +- ...rding-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.md | 4792 +++++++++++++++++ ...ding-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.svg | 5 + 4 files changed, 4831 insertions(+), 26 deletions(-) create mode 100644 assets/Pasted image 20220407210614.png create mode 100644 excalidraw/klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.md create mode 100644 excalidraw/klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.svg diff --git a/assets/Pasted image 20220407210614.png b/assets/Pasted image 20220407210614.png new file mode 100644 index 0000000..8ba0cf4 --- /dev/null +++ b/assets/Pasted image 20220407210614.png @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +version https://git-lfs.github.com/spec/v1 +oid sha256:58a321d08943101e9ef78d7a45c9b95a2a126de24024da2a720dcea72dec773c +size 48556 diff --git a/dao/klimadao.finance.md b/dao/klimadao.finance.md index 98cf24c..e81b521 100644 --- a/dao/klimadao.finance.md +++ b/dao/klimadao.finance.md @@ -20,15 +20,41 @@ Looks like the algo stable coin part isn't going so well. Similar to [[dao/olymp ![](../assets/klimadao-price-chart-20220123211825.png) -# Summary +# Analysis v2 - April 2022 + +**UPDATE: 2022-05-06. Extensive conversation with KlimaDAO team yielded this summary** + +![klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw](../excalidraw/klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.svg) + +Entire Deep Dive episode on KlimaDAO released: [collective-action-problems-and-climate-change](../notes/collective-action-problems-and-climate-change.md). Here's the drawing we did. + + +![drawing-2022-04-07-20.37.42.excalidraw](../excalidraw/klima-dao-analysis-2022-04-07.excalidraw.svg) + +### More notes + +Understanding how it works ... + +https://docs.klimadao.finance/klima-dao-ecosystem + +* BCT = "Base Carbon Tonne" + > The BCT (Base Carbon Tonne) — KlimaDAO's reserve asset — is a carbon offset index token representing a basket of different tokenised carbon tonnes starting with `TCO2`. [https://docs.klimadao.finance/klima-dao-ecosystem] + +### What is the price of the BCT + +Since the BCT is what they hold in the treasury and provides the core "intrinsic value" it is important to understand what it's price is. + +* Klima DAO’s current capture cost is ~8 usd/tn (the price of BCT tokens) [https://hristovbz.medium.com/klima-dao-for-apes-degens-ogs-195af0b4cd0b - Nov 30 2021] +* This seems low see e.g. this post from KlimaDAO itself https://klimadao.medium.com/carbon-markets-retail-offset-pricing-4eab0f6196c0 which includes this graphic + + ![](../assets/Pasted%20image%2020220407210614.png) + +# Analysis v1 (first pass Dec 2021) +https://docs.klimadao.finance * It takes significant work to work how this actually works ... (is it like [[dao/diatom.fund]] which has a relatively clear diagram ...) * (I think) Klima tokens are minted when they buy carbon offsets and store them in the treasury ---- - -# https://docs.klimadao.finance - ## The Problem (with some very dubious analysis) > We generally consider that the market itself is rational, and assume that it values things in a perfect way. We ignore the paradoxes in front of us everyday. Water, a necessity for life is essentially free across (much of) the world; diamonds have no real utility for us, yet in the free market they are priced exorbitantly, excluding all but the world’s richest. @@ -59,27 +85,6 @@ Any clearer? ## https://docs.klimadao.finance/klima-dao-ecosystem -# Notes - -![drawing-2022-04-07-20.37.42.excalidraw](../excalidraw/klima-dao-analysis-2022-04-07.excalidraw.svg) - -Understanding how it works ... - -https://docs.klimadao.finance/klima-dao-ecosystem - -* BCT = "Base Carbon Tonne" - > The BCT (Base Carbon Tonne) — KlimaDAO's reserve asset — is a carbon offset index token representing a basket of different tokenised carbon tonnes starting with `TCO2`. [https://docs.klimadao.finance/klima-dao-ecosystem] - -### What is the price of the BCT - -Since the BCT is what they hold in the treasury and provides the core "intrinsic value" it is important to understand what it's price is. - - -* Klima DAO’s current capture cost is ~8 usd/tn (the price of BCT tokens) [https://hristovbz.medium.com/klima-dao-for-apes-degens-ogs-195af0b4cd0b - Nov 30 2021] -* This seems low see e.g. this post from KlimaDAO itself https://klimadao.medium.com/carbon-markets-retail-offset-pricing-4eab0f6196c0 which includes this graphic - - ![](../assets/Pasted%20image%2020220407210614.png) - # Inbox * Dashboard for KlimaDAO https://dune.com/Cujowolf/Klima-DAO diff --git a/excalidraw/klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.md b/excalidraw/klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..b068247 --- /dev/null +++ b/excalidraw/klimadao-mechanics-and-logic-according-to-klimadao-2022-05-06.excalidraw.md @@ -0,0 +1,4792 @@ +--- + +excalidraw-plugin: parsed +tags: [excalidraw] + +--- +==⚠ Switch to EXCALIDRAW VIEW in the MORE OPTIONS menu of this document. ⚠== + + +# Text Elements +How do achieve coordination on decadal timescale collective coordination problems? ^1ir1XY9o + +How can we design *financial* *systems* (mechanisms) that address climate change + +Has been some action in this area e.g. cap and trade or price on carbon (or offsets) (voluntary carbon market) + ^TwjLyieo + +Assuming the [carbon?] market has a role to play in solving climate change ^dsXCJtwh + +Improving set of carbon credits (gold standards, verra) ^GFPN6aM4 + +Carbon Project ... + +e.g. forestry project ^pbMONc76 + +Carbon Brokers / +Marketplace / Verifier +(e.g. Verra) ^meFJimz3 + +Buyer ^RjRGmInu + +5000 Hectares of forest ^TjciAkvM + +X no of carbon credits ^CxlQaW3n + +Voluntary Carbon Markets ^BZQJ2IyL + +I have offset X tonnes of GHG +C02 equivalent ^frbhsxhR + +100s billions of tonnes needed to be drawdown + +Currently we are only doing 1 bn tonnes a year + +Is that a demand, a supply or a "market exchange" problem? + +[Rufus] Isn't it mainly a supply problem and that supply problem comes +from a lack of high prices for carbon which comes from lack of political commitment +to limit carbon budget (which would drive up prices)? + ^NEP9ONxQ + +Sally ^O4qxv9v9 + +Broker / Verra ^6wDLiA83 + +Buys 1 Tonne of C02 offset ^kRwDP79n + +$X ^pXOwlCbY + +Database record at Verra saying she owns 1 tonne ^r3fx2k2g + +Toucan ^7jkrnqlo + +1 tonne C02 on chain as a TC02 (tokenized C02) ^zgprCX8U + +Database record ... ^5OEAaweV + +Klima ^6dM3FewP + +🚩 not directly tradeable and not fungible (generic) ^fW5LHx3H + +Carbon pool with many different TC02 to make +an average representative "BCT" (base carbon tonne) +Like an ETF ^wRfgXfMn + +🚩 but no market maker (no liquidity) ^V2HAEYct + +1 BCT ^h759KJs3 + +some number of TC02 ^y3sOBdr1 + +1. Klima raises a bunch of money to bootstrap a liquidity pool + +We did accept USDC for aKlima ^poMlMVLf + +Investors +$20m ^kr88gSPb + +KlimaDAO ^HfGe1BfD + +USDC ^SNXtV89g + +Policy Team ^jIWGZ94o + +aKlima +(alpha klima) ^Hsq61tvw + +2. sourced tonnage on legacy market (like Sally above) ^cckgZqIN + +Legacy Carbon Market +(e.g. via OTC and network +Verra issued credits) ^8loHxOWS + +($ or) accepted USDC ^FUEbYrBX + +$ ^Vpjn0IhV + +Toucan ^qej5EdQa + +BCT ^pWRETDKw + +Carbon credits ^IMFEk9dQ + +KlimaDAO +Treasury ^nOV7PQjv + +Klima +(after launch) ^G5FaVbm3 + +1. Stake Klima ^Kn12aq7w + +KlimaDAO +Treasury ^mhQ5L912 + +Liquidity +Pools ^FOuDFX9w + +1. Issue Klima tokens +[2. Buy more BCT with USDC - not for now] + +And use those klima tokens + +1. [Bonding] Buy more BCT with discounted Klima (bonding) +(5d vesting period and assume klima price won't go down) + +2. [Bonding] from Liquidity Pool tokens + +3. Staking [incentivized supply disruption] + +Tie up your klima with us (inflation adjusted bond maybe?) +and get issued additional klima at some rate (below the overall rate) + +At launch 75,000% APR + +Staking is minimum 8h ^xDnma9zI + +After launch ^bKG0RqXo + +1 Klima token ^CQDnnVD4 + +-$20m USDC from "participants" + +e.g. $15m equivalent BCT +$5m USDC ^HGABD6ca + +BCT is $6/7 equivalent + +But goldstandard etc is $40/50 ^cD8t0ZGF + +Liquidity Pool + +Paired some of the BCT with USDC + +Paired BCT with Klima ^gePLZGMN + +KlimaDAO +Treasury ^fDNc0Us2 + +At launch ^HZ6ZVLGS + +Liquidity +Pools ^hGJ1r5DU + +Reserve BCT ^yUPdKiGZ + +BCT / USDC ^DE9GraGc + +BCT / Klima ^xhdp1t0T + +Incentive to bring BCT on chain ^4K3tqkIm + +Why bother? If you don't think blockchain is a better solution +for carbon markets then wouldn't really do this ... ^ZQucd0KK + +0. Believe in this approach to solving climate change +1. Buy offsets (b/c can't buy o/w) ^K8e9WBbz + +1. 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